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RLB-RUS-CHE-0120240002 is an Accession — the atomic unit of documentation representing a specific collection event. All scientific data lives here.

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Identifier

The accession identifier is RLB-RUS-CHE-0120240002, built from the holder, the ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 country, the province segment, the month, the year and the sequence number.

Holder segment RLB stands for Landrace Bureau, which some listings and other sellers call the Russian Landrace Bureau.
Province segment CHE is for Chelyabinsk Oblast, in which Lake Chebarkul lies. The listing names the lake and places it in Bashkortostan (see below); the oblast is a gazetteer fact.
Year 2024 is the year of the earliest dated document found that lists the line by this name: the Wayback Machine's capture of 11 May 2024 of the company's home page (https://web.archive.org/web/20240511225749/https://www.landracebureau.com/). The company's shop of February 2021 offered only one Lake Chebarkul line, under the name Bashkortostan; that line is recorded as RLB-RUS-CHE-0120210001, although the 2021 product photograph is now in this listing's gallery. A buyer's Overgrow post of 29 September 2021 (https://overgrow.com/t/2407/687) says that the buyer had the "Black" and "Meat" phenotypes of the Bashkortostan seed, "selected and taken to F2 by Guardian of the Lost Terps". That post names a phenotype, not a listing, and describes reproduced seed where the company sells this line as not reproduced, so it is not used for the year. The year is a lower bound, not a collection date.
Month 01 is the placeholder used when the year comes from first attestation.
Sequence 0002. Accessions of the holder for this province segment and year are numbered in the order of the company's home page of May 2024: Pink Siberian, then Black Russian.

Sourcing

The company's listing (https://www.landracebureau.com/product-page/black-russian) was read on 19 and 21 October 2026 and saved, with the Wayback Machine's earliest capture of it, of 15 June 2025; the description is the same in both. Every statement about the line's origin, plants and aroma is the company's own account of its stock and is attributed to it. The listing names no collector and no village, and gives no date of collection.

The text of the Black Russian listing is the Wild Siberian listing's, without its list of phenotypes. Nothing in it says whether the seed is a selection from the Wild Siberian seed or a separate gathering, so the line has its own accession and no parent is entered.

Typing

Classification: Unknown. The company calls the plants feral and the line a landrace; that is its own claim and is attributed in the article. A seller's listing does not establish the class of the source population, and nothing else on the page shows what kind of population the seed came from.
Sourcing type: Unknown provenance. The company says that the seed was collected in Russia, but no other source records the chain of custody from a source population to the seed on sale.
Accession type is left empty. The company sells the seed as not reproduced, but SeedFinder's lineage for the company's Siberian Landrace Bashkortostan reads "(F4)", and a buyer's post of September 2021 describes F2 selections of the Bashkortostan seed (see Identifier). Which of these the seed on sale is, no source settles.
Photoperiod response: Day-neutral, for the company's "Super-Autoflower".
Traits. The heights (converted from feet) in the infobox are the company's own descriptions.

Source discrepancies

Republic. The listing reads "Location: Lake Chebarkul, Southern Siberian, Bashkortostan Russia". Lake Chebarkul lies in Chelyabinsk Oblast, not in Bashkortostan, and not in Siberia. The article names the lake and leaves out the republic.
Coordinates. The listing gives "54’ N 60’ L" in its soil note; the Wild Siberian listing also gives "Lat: 55.1 Lon: 59.9". Both points are in Chelyabinsk Oblast (OpenStreetMap): 55.1, 59.9 is in Miass Urban Okrug, about 31 km north-west of the lake, and 54, 60 is in Verkhneuralsky Municipal Okrug, about 110 km south of it. They are about 120 km apart.

Georeferencing

The point 54.96, 60.32 is the middle of Lake Chebarkul, OpenStreetMap relation 1692091 (a lake of about 17 km²), inside its outline, as on KHA-RUS-CHE-0120190001. The listing's own coordinates disagree with each other by about 120 km and with the lake it names (see above), so neither is used as the holder's point; the named lake is the finest place the sources agree on. The town of Chebarkul (relation 10185422) is about 3 km north-east of the point. It is an area point for the lake and its shores, not the place the seed was gathered. Basis: district point. Uncertainty: about 10 km, covering the lake, its shores and the town.

Conservation priority

Not rated. The listing gives nothing about the size or status of a source population.