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Evidentiary scope
The label reads Plante à écorce textile plantée près d'une cái nhà meo (a plant with a textile bark, planted near a Meo house) and gives the name Zay: Ko phai. It places the plant at Laos: Muong Pun pro: San Neua (Muong Pun, province of Sam Neua), at 1,200 to 1,300 metres, on 17 September 1920. The catalogue's field note repeats plantée près d'une cai nha meo. Drug-type cannabis from different regions began to be cross-bred, and its seed carried into old growing areas, in the 1970s (McPartland and Small 2020, pp. 84–85), so a hybrid origin is not considered for a sheet gathered in 1920. The accession is classified Landrace, by inference from the label and the catalogue. The sheet does not show what became of the crop or whether its seed survives, and no conservation priority is assigned.
Label reading
Read from the museum's scan at full resolution (3262 × 5067 pixels).
- Field label. Printed AUG. CHEVALIER, PLANTES DE L'INDOCHINE; manuscript in one hand, black ink:
- P No 1897
- Zay: Ko phai: followed by the name in a non-Latin script, not transcribed.
- Plante de 3M de haut / Fleurs blanches / Laos: Muong Pun pro: San Neua (the diacritics over Muong not transcribed) / 17-9-1920. / printed Coll. with Poilane.
- Plante à écorce textile plantée près d'une cái nhà meo, écorce verte, rameaux alternes, feuilles composées, 5 folioles, longues et dentelées, sol argileux très bon, 12 à 1300 M d'altitude, récolté entre Na Ham et Nam Anh.
- A later pencil note in English, in another hand: Cannabis and, beside a warning triangle, don't smoke please!
- Museum label. Printed HERB. MUS. PARIS., Institut Scientifique de Saïgon. and M. POILANE. (joined by a dash) and Reçu le 20 Mai 1921.; in pencil, Dupl: L, MO, K, E.
- Barcode. Herbier Muséum Paris P06780054.
Zay is read as written. Its capital is not the looped L of Laos on the same label. The article does not identify the language or people it names. L, MO, K, E read as the Index Herbariorum codes of Leiden, the Missouri Botanical Garden, Kew and Edinburgh. Read that way they name the herbaria that received duplicates; the Kew one is cited in the article. Only the letters are quoted there.
Georeferencing
Muong Pun is not in OpenStreetMap. Sam Neua, the province seat, resolves, but the gathering was made in a district away from the town and the seat is not the collection place. No coordinate is asserted.
Editorial treatment
cái nhà meo is left untranslated in the article. The phrase names a house of the Meo, the exonym the label uses; whether Meo may be equated with the Hmong is not settled by the sources read. It is not equated here.
The elevation field stores 1,200 m, the lower bound of the label's 12 à 1300 M; the catalogue gives the same range. The local name field holds Ko phai, the label's romanisation, without the prefix Zay.
The province field holds Houaphanh, the present province whose seat is Sam Neua; the locality field holds the label's Muong Pun.
Source discrepancies
- Kew codes the country as Viet Nam while its own locality field reads Laos; Paris codes Laos. The article follows Paris and the Kew locality.
- The Paris catalogue's field note leaves out à écorce textile and sol argileux très bon, both on the label. It writes cai nha meo without the label's accents.
Source citations remain in the article. Éloise 17:25, 23 September 2026 (+07)
Meo and the Hmong
Michaud and Culas (1997, pp. 79–80, 86) and Filbeck (1987, p. 129) give Meo as the older exonym of the Hmong, the name the Hmong use for themselves. The note above that left the equation open predates these sources. The article leaves cái nhà meo untranslated, as the label has it; the house is a house of the Meo, that is, of the Hmong. Éloise 20:24, 21 October 2026 (+07)