Talk:Thorel 3009 (1862–1866)

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Page scope

Thorel 3009 (1862–1866) is about a single collection of cannabis, a seed lot or a herbarium specimen: where and when it was gathered, by whom, and what the sources say about the plants.

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Evidentiary scope

The label names the place Kemarotte, and the catalogue reads the same word Kamarath. Both give the collector, C. Thorel, and the number 3009. The catalogue dates the sheet to the range 1862 to 1866, the years printed on the label form; no date is written for this gathering. Neither the label nor the catalogue gives a habitat, a use, a local name or a note on cultivation, so nothing shows whether the plant was cultivated, grew wild or had escaped. The accession is classified Unknown, and no conservation priority is assigned.

Label reading

Read from the museum's scan at full resolution (3206 × 4899 pixels).

• Printed. HERB. MUS. PARIS.; at the foot COCHINCHINE (struck through) and M. le D^r THOREL, 1862-1866.
• Manuscript. 3009 at the top left / Cannabineae / Cannabis followed by a word in heavier ink, written over another and not legible: its end reads -eusis or -ensis / Expédition du Mékong beside the struck Cochinchine / Kemarotte at the lower left, its last letters running into an arrow that points at the printed name.
• Barcode. Herbier Muséum Paris P06884279.

The place name is read Kemarotte; the ending is the least certain part, because the final letters merge into the arrow. The catalogue's Kamarath is a different reading of the same word.

Georeferencing

Kamarath was not found in OpenStreetMap by Nominatim, under any of the spellings tried. The label's Kemarotte has not been identified with a place by any source read for this page. No coordinate is asserted. The country is the catalogue's.

Editorial treatment

The catalogue's date is a range, 1862 to 1866, and the article says so. The range is printed on the label form, at the foot, beside the struck-out Cochinchine and Thorel's printed name; no date is written for this gathering. The printed range dates the form. It dates the gathering only as far as the form fits it. The page title carries the catalogue's range because the wiki's accession titles carry a year; the collection date field is left empty, because the label gives no year to fill it with.

The locality field keeps the catalogue's Kamarath until the place is identified. The label's Kemarotte is quoted in the article.

The Mekong expedition is named as the label names it. Its dates are not asserted here: no source for them was read for this page.

Source citations remain in the article. Éloise 17:24, 23 September 2026 (+07)