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The page treats the Polish Christmas Eve soup of hemp seed under its names siemieniotka, siemieniatka, konopiotka and siemieniucha: where it was eaten, how it was made and how the sources describe it. The linseed dish siemioniotka has one sentence, because the name is close and the Opole entry describes both.
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Sources
- Federowski (1888), Lud okolic Żarek, Siewierza i Pilicy, vol. 1 (Warsaw: M. Arct), p. 149: the Christmas Eve dishes, beginning "kasza jęczmienna z siemianką (mlekiem wyciskanem z siemienia konopnego)". Page 1 places the villages in Będzin and Olkusz districts, bordering Prussian Silesia.
- "Gwiazdka górnośląska", unsigned, Dziennik Śląski (Bytom), no. 293, 25 December 1919, p. 1: "Pierwszą potrawą na górnośląskim stole wigilijnym jest zupa z konopi, tak zwana siemieniucha czyli siemieniatka". The same article appeared that day in Górnoślązak (no. 293) and Katolik (Bytom, no. 154) and again in Katolik (Katowice, no. 296) on 28 December 1938. These are copies of one text and count as one source.
- Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, List of Traditional Products: the Opole Voivodeship entry Siemieniotka (entered 14 May 2007) and the Silesian Voivodeship entry Siemieniatka / siemieniotka / konopiotka (entered 21 August 2006). The Opole entry quotes Wera Sztabowa, Krupnioki i moczka, for the old method and Z. Szrobra, Pożywienie ludności wiejskiej na Górnym Śląsku, for the linseed siemioniotka. Neither book is cited directly.
- The ministry's Christmas pages for Greater Poland and the Łódź region (2 May 2018). The Greater Poland page quotes Oskar Kolberg's 19th-century account of the Christmas Eve menu but gives no volume or page, so the Kolberg passage is cited through the ministry page.
Is it cannabis?
- Every source used names hemp: "siemię konopne" (hemp seed), "ziarna konopi" (hemp grains) and "zupa z konopi" (soup of hemp). Hemp here is Cannabis sativa.
- Siemioniotka made from linseed ("siemienia lnianego", flax) is a different dish. The article says which seed each source names.
Title and other names
- Siemieniotka is the name of the Opole entry and one of the three names of the Silesian Voivodeship entry.
- Redirects, each from a source cited on the page: Siemieniatka (the Silesian Voivodeship entry, Dziennik Śląski 1919 and the Łódź page); Konopiotka (the Silesian Voivodeship entry); Siemieniucha (Dziennik Śląski 1919, the Łódź page and the Greater Poland page).
- Siemianka, Federowski's 1888 name, is not a redirect. He describes siemianka as milk pressed from hemp seed eaten with barley groats. No source says it is the same dish under another name.
- Polish Wikipedia also lists konopionka, siemiotka, siemionka, siemianka and konopianka without a source for any of them. They are not redirects.
Kind, plant part and dates
- Kind: dish (a soup). Plant part: seed.
- First recorded: 1919, the earliest dated source that uses one of the page's names for the soup. Kolberg's 19th-century account is known here only through the ministry's quotation, which gives no date.
- Still made: yes. The Opole entry says the soup is still served at the Christmas Eve supper in Silesian homes. The Greater Poland page says it is still made around Wieruszów.
Left out
- The Opole entry also retells a legend, from Marian Grzegorz Gerlich's introduction to Elżbieta Łabońska's Śląska kucharka doskonała, in which the soup was first cooked in Bethlehem on the night of the Nativity. It is an origin story and is not used in the article.
- Polish Wikipedia's statement that the soup was believed to protect against scabies and boils has no source there.