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Phu Thai people is the page for the Phu Thai (ผู้ไท, also written ผู้ไทย and ภูไท; in English also Phuthai and Phu Tai), a Tai-speaking people of north-eastern Thailand and central Laos. It covers the name, distribution, language, the accounts of their origin and removal across the Mekong, the towns founded for them, society, religion, culture, livelihood, plant use and a seed seller's statement about cannabis, and lists the accessions collected among them.

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Most of the literature on the Phu Thai is in Thai. The page draws on a 2023 study of the name and settlement history (Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana), village studies of Ban Nabua in Renu Nakhon District (Phain 2016), Don Mai Khum in Kalasin (Pannet 2008, a Mahidol University MSc thesis), Ban Kut Wa in Kalasin (Tipchai and others 2019; Lawalee and others 2014) and Ban Phon in Kalasin (Wannakit 2014–2015), an ethnobotanical survey in Renu Nakhon (Pholhiamhan and others 2018) and a study of Phu Thai healers (Picheansoonthon and others 2007). Statements about one village are kept to that village in the article. Passages from Thai-language sources are paraphrased from the Thai text.

Several historical statements reach the page through Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana, who report earlier writers: the account of Uan Tisso (1926), the 1918 chronicle of the twelve Phu Thai towns, Prince Damrong's report of his tour of 2449 BE, the story of the spelling ภูไท told by S. Sivaraksa, and the views of Thanwa Jaitiang, Prawit Khamprom, Sutep Chaikhan and Siriyaphon Salipan. The page does not cite these works directly. The article attributes each view to its writer.

Prince Damrong's tour is dated 2449 BE in Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana, a year that ran from April 1906 to March 1907; the page on the Kaloeng, following another source, dates the same tour to 1907. The article gives 1906–1907.

Wada and Nawata (2006), on home gardens in Phu Thai villages of Savannakhet, is cited only from its English abstract on the repository record. The article uses it only for the two senses of the name and for the presence of Phu Thai villages in Savannakhet.

Where the sources disagree

Spelling. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana (2023) report that a 2012 seminar at Renu Nakhon favoured ผู้ไท, and use that form themselves. The Royal Institute dictionary has ผู้ไทย. A self-published article by Chaiyasuk and Mollerup (2014), not used on the page, states instead that most Phu Thai in Thailand write ภูไท. The article gives the three spellings and the arguments reported for and against each, without choosing.
Homeland. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana report agreement among Thai scholars on Muang Thaeng (Dien Bien Phu). Pholhiamhan and others (2018), citing Pannet, write that the Phu Thai came from "Muang Ou Tai", which they place between southern China, northern Vietnam and Laos, before moving to southern Laos. The article follows the first and records the second here.
Date of the crossing. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana describe three waves, from the reign of Taksin to that of Rama III, with the largest after 1828 and further removals during the Siamese–Vietnamese conflict of 1833–1847. Picheansoonthon and others (2007) write of a slow migration between 1844 and 1878. Timsuksai and Rambo (2016) place the settlement of the Sakon Nakhon basin in the early 19th century, and Pittayaporn (2025) in the 19th century. The village history of Don Mai Khum (Pannet 2008) has Rama III bringing about 3,000 people from Vientiane to the Phu Phan range. The article reports each.
Source towns. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana name Muang Wang, Muang Chepon (Taphon), Muang Kapong and Muang Khammuan; Phain (2016) names Muang Wang, Muang Khamkoet and Muang Khammuan; Picheansoonthon and others say most came from Khammuan.
Two places called Saeng Badan. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana use the name for the town raised from Ban Bueng Kradan for the Khammuan group about 1845 (now parts of Kham Muang, Tha Khantho and Sahatsakhan districts) and for a group in Somdet District that is Phu Thai mixed with Nyaw. The article keeps the two apart.
Date of Uan Tisso's account. Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana cite it as 2469 BE (1926) in one place and as 2569 BE in another; the second is taken to be a misprint.
Classification of the language. Glottolog places Phu Thai among the Southwestern Tai languages. Pittayaporn (2025) judges it more distantly related than the other small varieties to his proposed Peninsular branch. Luksanawong (2010), comparing vocabulary, sets Phu Thai apart from a Nyaw–Lao–Yoy group.
Population. The only figure in the sources is "about 470,000" Phu Thai speakers, from the 2004 ethnolinguistic maps of Suwilai Premsrirat and colleagues as cited by Chareerak and Wongpinunwatana. The English Wikipedia page on the language gives other figures without a checkable source, and they are not used. The sources give no figure for Laos or Vietnam.
Use categories of the Renu Nakhon plants. Pholhiamhan and others (2018) give 56 cultural and 79 other species in the abstract and the reverse in the results; the article uses only the food (199) and medicine (176) counts, which agree.

Cannabis

The only source that joins the Phu Thai with cannabis is the catalogue listing of a seed seller, The Real Seed Company, for its Lao Gold line. The listing gives no source for the statement. The same seller's listing for its Central Lao line and a 2023 post on its blog tie ganja and the old Thai stick trade to the ethnic Lao of central Laos and northern Isan, and do not mention the Phu Thai. The article therefore attributes the statement to the seller in the text.

The 329 species of the Renu Nakhon survey (Pholhiamhan and others 2018) and the 108 medicinal species of Don Mai Khum (Pannet 2008) include no cannabis. Part 1 of Picheansoonthon and others (2007) lists no plants.

The Thai cannabis cultivar name Hang Kra Rog Phu Phan refers to the Phu Phan range, not to the Phu Thai. Journalism on the Thai stick era places growing in Nakhon Phanom without naming an ethnic group.

Other reports

Thanyalak Chaiyasuk and Asger Mollerup, "The ambiguous use of the term Phu Tai" (2014). A self-published article on the authors' own website, not peer reviewed. It discusses the confusion of the Phu Thai with the Tai Dam, Tai Khao and Tai Daeng of Vietnam, the spellings used in Thailand and Laos, the relation of Phu Thai to Phuan and Nyaw, and a festival at Khao Wong in 2013. Its points on the name and the language are covered on the page from published sources.
Anukul Siriphan, "Tai Lue: overlapping cultural perspectives of the Phu Tai people in the northeast of Thailand" (2017). Its comparison of Phu Thai and Tai Lue customs at Ban Phu, Mukdahan, is presented as a hypothesis, and the PDF carries no printed page numbers.
Yutthaphichai Wannasang and Sarapee Khowdee (2026), on the names of ikat patterns in Sakon Nakhon. It finds that Phu Thai pattern names at Ban Nong Khrong in Phanna Nikhom District tend to relate to belief and ritual. Its sample is 18 informants across five peoples, and it adds pattern names only.
Prince Damrong's remarks on the complexion and looks of Phu Thai women are not reproduced.

Open content questions

The sources give no count of the Phu Thai of Laos or Vietnam with a stated year and method.
Whether the Phu Thai of Savannakhet grow cannabis in their home gardens is not settled by any source.