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Talk:Fleming s.n., Simla (1849)

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Page scope
Fleming s.n., Simla (1849) is about a single collection of cannabis, a seed lot or a herbarium specimen: where and when it was gathered, by whom, and what the sources say about the plants.
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Evidentiary scope

The handwritten label gives the place Simla and the date July 1849. A printed label above it reads Punjaub Salt Range Plants. Collected by Dr. Fleming. Presented 1891. (plants of the Punjab Salt Range, collected by Dr Fleming, presented in 1891). Neither label gives an altitude, a habitat or a collection number, and neither names a cultivation status, local name or use. Nothing shows whether the plant was cultivated, was growing wild or had escaped. The accession is classified Unknown. It does not establish a continuing population, and no conservation priority is assigned.

Georeferencing

The handwritten label names Simla. The printed slip Punjaub Salt Range Plants is the heading under which Fleming's herbarium was presented to Edinburgh in 1891. It appears on his 1849 sheets from the Simla hills too: E00235287 (Mahasu forest near Simla, June 1849) and E00670780 (Simla, Octr 1849) carry the same printed slip beside handwritten labels in the same hand. The heading is therefore not read as the locality of this sheet.

The infobox uses present-day Shimla, Shimla District and Himachal Pradesh. The label names the station, not a collection point, so the coordinate is Shimla's own point in OpenStreetMap (node 316417040), 31.10, 77.17, used as a locality georeference rather than as a reconstructed collection point.

The coordinate georeferences the place the label names, at two decimal places, with the mapped object named above. Shimla's municipal area is 35.34 km² (English Wikipedia, Shimla), a circle about 3.4 km in radius, and 1 km is added for the rounding of the point. Basis: settlement point. Uncertainty: about 5 km. Éloise 06:11, 18 September 2026 (+07)

Editorial treatment

The place name has also been read as beginning Pind-, a reading that would point to the Salt Range town of Pind Dadan Khan. At full resolution the word reads Simla. Its capital is the crossed long s that the same hand uses in sativa on this label, followed by four minims, a looped l and a; the dot of the i is set late, over the fourth minim. The same form of Simla is written on E00670780.

The title keeps the label's spelling, Simla, as naming reference §8A does for other s.n. titles; the infobox uses the present-day name. The label credits Dr. Fleming and the catalogue gives Andrew Fleming; the collector field uses the initials form A. Fleming. The 1891 presentation records custody and is not used as a date.

Source citations remain in the article. Éloise 21:15, 17 September 2026 (+07)